Not exactly sure which “teaching I missed the entire point of. Also, simply stating that history and hermeneutics is not my forte without actually offering an alternative hermaneutic yourself really does not prove anything. I have not read this book, but I do respect both Barna and Viola, so I may give it a look. Your comments are a little confusing, but it seems like you are against the institutional churches definition of pastor, which is pretty much the whole point of this article by Kathy. I am in agreement with Kathy and I think you, that the position of Pastor has become something entirely different than it was originally intended. It might be easier to understand what you are getting at if you simply mae your point rather than refering people to the work of other authors. Not that refering to other works is wornk, but perhaps you could summarize what the authors are saying that you agree with. Just think yolu could be more clear in making your point.

FedEx,
President,
Men of Praise Motorcycle Ministry.

First things first. Lets look at 1 Tim 2:8-15 for what is is, a passage about ecclesiology, not soteriology. Here is a quick primer on theological order.

Soteriology(recieving eternal life)- primary doctrine

Ecclesiology(how we act when we come together)- secondary docrine

Primary Doctrine = essential to the faith

Secondary Doctrine = room for disagreement (demonstrated by the variety of denominations and ways to worship together)

Now here is where I need to rebuke you, You accuse Kathy of not having saving faith. But I know Kathy and she has placed her trust alone(faith) in the person and work of Jesus Christ alone for her eternal security. Her soteriology is sound, and therefore your accusations unfounded and as a pastor myself, I rebuke you for carelessly making such accusations here or anywhere.

Now, a little lesson on the hermenutics of 1 Tim 2:11-15. First, the word you use as silence is better translated quietness, as used in 2 Thes 3:12 of both men and women. Here it is the antonym of gossipping busybodies(men and women). Next, the word you translate as submissiveness is the verb tense of the greek word hupotasso used in 1 Pet5:5 to tell all believers, BOTH MEN AND WOMEN to submit themselves to one another. This verse then could be rightly translated as “let the women learn without being gossipping busybodies and submitting their own wants and needs for those of the body.”

The next verse uses the word aner and is translated man, but it is more properly translated husband or bethrothed. One proper translation of this verse could be “I do not allow a woman to teach or rule over her husband, but to live in quietness(not being a busybody gossip).” Again, this is consistant with the rest of the Bible.

The last passage is the most troubling. It cannot be used to show that woman are less for being decieved into sin. To do so would be to contradict the entire Old testament and its testimony of how God views sin. The law prescribed a much more sever punishment for willful sin than sins of ignorance. to read 1 Tim 2:13-15 consistant with the rest of the Bible would mean to read that Eve was less culpible for the sin of mankind than Adam, since her sin was out of ignorance(deception) and Adam chose to sin out of willfullness.

I know you will not agree with my interpretations, but they are based on careful and prayer filled study of the original languages and they are accepted in many theological circles. But you will not accept them, as you have already set in your mind that what you believe is the correct understanding.

I only leave you with this, you have accused a precious child of God of something that you have no evidence of. That child of God also is gifted and called of God to be a pastor, and she does so in submission to her own husband and the rest of the body of Christ. I rebuke you for accusing a sister(that is Satan’s realm, as the original accuser of the brethren)without ground and for carelessly accusing one of God’s annointed leaders. Kathy is living out the Spirit of 1 Tim 2:8-15, but I fear that you are living out the spirit of 1 Cor 3. I pray that you will repent of the spirit of devisiveness that has characterized your interactions here thus far and seek unity based on our identity in Christ Jesus.

In Christ’s Service,
Edwin “FedEx” Aldrich
President,
Men of Praise Motorcycle Ministry

I think that you have been answered. You are seeking an argument for the sake of it. It would not matter what Kathy posted, you have decided that your understanding of this verse is correct. Argument would accomplish nothing except division. Kathy gave you a resource to look up for yourself, no argument needed. If you really were interested in her views, you would read them. I believe that you are simply trying to get into a contest of whose view is more correct. Bravo to Kathy for choosing not to argue and to allow room for disagreement, this is so far from an essential doctrine that it is kind of silly.

Kathy,

I am encouraged continually by your grace and love, even for those who do not agree with you. You are doing wonderful things at the Refuge and I pray continually for you and your ministry.

FedEx,
President,
Men of Praise Motorcycle Ministry