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		<title>By: kathyescobar</title>
		<link>http://kathyescobar.com/2009/10/02/doubt-faith-owning-our-egocentric-tendencies/#comment-2914</link>
		<dc:creator>kathyescobar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 22:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>craig - it was fun &amp; challenging &amp; your videos are really good.  looking forward to the new stuff you find on the road...

karl - yeah, it&#039;s fun to let go &amp; see the beauty &amp; uniqueness in faith.  i am glad we are part of a place that gets to see that up close.  there&#039;s a lot to learn from each other.

lisa - i loved your comments, sorry you&#039;re not so special anymore, hahah.  i am glad you are part of these conversations, you bring an honesty that is always needed.  

julie - i always appreciate your stories &amp; perspectives here.  i think the thing that you hit on is an awareness of our self-centered tendencies &amp; how those kinds of in-grown eyeballs always miss something so much bigger.  i love that Jesus is stirring up in you a passion for looking out &amp; the ways that you can contribute to change. yeah!

joy - you rock. i love your journey &amp; your willingness to admit where you were. it is so wild, isn&#039;t it, how once that box gets broken open that there&#039;s no turning back &amp; a new and wonderful world is opened where God is much bigger than i ever imagined...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>craig &#8211; it was fun &amp; challenging &amp; your videos are really good.  looking forward to the new stuff you find on the road&#8230;</p>
<p>karl &#8211; yeah, it&#8217;s fun to let go &amp; see the beauty &amp; uniqueness in faith.  i am glad we are part of a place that gets to see that up close.  there&#8217;s a lot to learn from each other.</p>
<p>lisa &#8211; i loved your comments, sorry you&#8217;re not so special anymore, hahah.  i am glad you are part of these conversations, you bring an honesty that is always needed.  </p>
<p>julie &#8211; i always appreciate your stories &amp; perspectives here.  i think the thing that you hit on is an awareness of our self-centered tendencies &amp; how those kinds of in-grown eyeballs always miss something so much bigger.  i love that Jesus is stirring up in you a passion for looking out &amp; the ways that you can contribute to change. yeah!</p>
<p>joy &#8211; you rock. i love your journey &amp; your willingness to admit where you were. it is so wild, isn&#8217;t it, how once that box gets broken open that there&#8217;s no turning back &amp; a new and wonderful world is opened where God is much bigger than i ever imagined&#8230;
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		<title>By: Joy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 18:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ooo...Kathy this is so GOOD! I lived so comfortably inside the idea of ethnocentrism...for most of my adult years as a Chrisitian.
I am not sure how it happened...(maybe it was a book I read by Brain McLaren, Rob Bell or Shane Claiborne....or maybe it was turning forty...or living during a time when my own country is actually at war with another)...BUT...some how one day the idea that who I am and where I live in context to other people in the world, infected my thinking like a virus. I began to contemplate being born into a Muslim faith and culture...or a native or indiginous tribe...

I tried to imagine the reality of what I would know or how I would relate to the world...and it really made me start to question how I could claim absolute truth in my &#039;brand&#039; of spirituality...as if I had something to do with the lottery of where I was born. I wondered if God just didn&#039;t like brown or black people very much because they seemed &#039;predestined&#039; for poverty, misery and distruction by their lack of right belief. I wondered about that.

Just prior to that revelation...I  imagined that I was at the zenith of my spiritual understanding and practice and perhaps all I could add to it...would be a mission trip to a third-world country to try to fix &#039;those&#039; people in one way or another! I could not listen to the ideas of others or spiritual claims and experiences of others with out having one of two reactions:
1) total panic that I would be infected spiritually with their &#039;sinful beliefs&#039; and there for dismissing them or the conversation immediately OR
2)Feeling completely superior and grateful that I had not been born a jew, a muslim...mormon...whatever. And then dismissing them as lost and their experiences and knowledge and flawed and of no value!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ooo&#8230;Kathy this is so GOOD! I lived so comfortably inside the idea of ethnocentrism&#8230;for most of my adult years as a Chrisitian.<br />
I am not sure how it happened&#8230;(maybe it was a book I read by Brain McLaren, Rob Bell or Shane Claiborne&#8230;.or maybe it was turning forty&#8230;or living during a time when my own country is actually at war with another)&#8230;BUT&#8230;some how one day the idea that who I am and where I live in context to other people in the world, infected my thinking like a virus. I began to contemplate being born into a Muslim faith and culture&#8230;or a native or indiginous tribe&#8230;</p>
<p>I tried to imagine the reality of what I would know or how I would relate to the world&#8230;and it really made me start to question how I could claim absolute truth in my &#8216;brand&#8217; of spirituality&#8230;as if I had something to do with the lottery of where I was born. I wondered if God just didn&#8217;t like brown or black people very much because they seemed &#8216;predestined&#8217; for poverty, misery and distruction by their lack of right belief. I wondered about that.</p>
<p>Just prior to that revelation&#8230;I  imagined that I was at the zenith of my spiritual understanding and practice and perhaps all I could add to it&#8230;would be a mission trip to a third-world country to try to fix &#8216;those&#8217; people in one way or another! I could not listen to the ideas of others or spiritual claims and experiences of others with out having one of two reactions:<br />
1) total panic that I would be infected spiritually with their &#8216;sinful beliefs&#8217; and there for dismissing them or the conversation immediately OR<br />
2)Feeling completely superior and grateful that I had not been born a jew, a muslim&#8230;mormon&#8230;whatever. And then dismissing them as lost and their experiences and knowledge and flawed and of no value!
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		<title>By: julie</title>
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		<dc:creator>julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 06:58:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been thinking about your question regarding egocentric tendencies.  I think that I always view life through me first and then outward.  Even when I hear other people&#039;s experiences I think about how I relate to them.  I don&#039;t think that is necessarily a bad thing but I can see how it could be narrowing.  Lately I have been thinking about how I can make a difference in this world.  I mean exactly where I am at not when I have more money or when my kids are out of the house.  Right now.

I saw a story on Nightline about a woman who has a shopping addiction.  She has over $250K in credit card debt with an income of $100K per year.  She has to have the best of everything and shops on Rodeo Dr.  She has closets full of clothes.  Many that she has never worn.  I looked at her story and I thought what an extreme example of glutony.  I didn&#039;t think I could relate to her at all.  Then I started thinking about my own use of the planet and the resources I have been given.  It became very clear to me that I eat way more food than my body requires.  I am overweight and that is glutony.  Maybe the way I can make a difference right now is to not consume more than I need.  Will that make a difference?  Will less people starve?  Maybe it won&#039;t but it will give an example to my children and maybe influence them to only take what they need.  Jesus lived on this planet and only took what he needed so I am going to try to do the same.    

Okay, maybe my response is not what you where looking for but it&#039;s what came into my head.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been thinking about your question regarding egocentric tendencies.  I think that I always view life through me first and then outward.  Even when I hear other people&#8217;s experiences I think about how I relate to them.  I don&#8217;t think that is necessarily a bad thing but I can see how it could be narrowing.  Lately I have been thinking about how I can make a difference in this world.  I mean exactly where I am at not when I have more money or when my kids are out of the house.  Right now.</p>
<p>I saw a story on Nightline about a woman who has a shopping addiction.  She has over $250K in credit card debt with an income of $100K per year.  She has to have the best of everything and shops on Rodeo Dr.  She has closets full of clothes.  Many that she has never worn.  I looked at her story and I thought what an extreme example of glutony.  I didn&#8217;t think I could relate to her at all.  Then I started thinking about my own use of the planet and the resources I have been given.  It became very clear to me that I eat way more food than my body requires.  I am overweight and that is glutony.  Maybe the way I can make a difference right now is to not consume more than I need.  Will that make a difference?  Will less people starve?  Maybe it won&#8217;t but it will give an example to my children and maybe influence them to only take what they need.  Jesus lived on this planet and only took what he needed so I am going to try to do the same.    </p>
<p>Okay, maybe my response is not what you where looking for but it&#8217;s what came into my head.
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 20:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, I always thought I was the most radical one when I was worshiping at a more traditional church.  Whenever I read a book like &quot;Case For Faith&quot; or &quot;Case For Christ&quot;, I could always find the holes in the author&#039;s argument.  

So...I find myself out of sorts sometimes in a community where faith and doubt go hand in hand.  Maybe because I&#039;ve grown used to being the one person in the group who expressed doubt instead of unwavering faith.  I&#039;ve grown used to being &quot;the only one&quot; and felt proud of my own intelligence in not following the crowd.

To not be &quot;the only one&quot;.  It&#039;s a strange feeling.  I&#039;m not sure I like it.  Maybe that&#039;s how ego-centrism plays out in my own faith. 

P.S. Ethnocentrism is also, according to my comparative studies professor in college, one of the reasons why the term &quot;Middle East&quot; exists.  In relation to European nations, that area geographically was in between them and the &quot;Far East&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, I always thought I was the most radical one when I was worshiping at a more traditional church.  Whenever I read a book like &#8220;Case For Faith&#8221; or &#8220;Case For Christ&#8221;, I could always find the holes in the author&#8217;s argument.  </p>
<p>So&#8230;I find myself out of sorts sometimes in a community where faith and doubt go hand in hand.  Maybe because I&#8217;ve grown used to being the one person in the group who expressed doubt instead of unwavering faith.  I&#8217;ve grown used to being &#8220;the only one&#8221; and felt proud of my own intelligence in not following the crowd.</p>
<p>To not be &#8220;the only one&#8221;.  It&#8217;s a strange feeling.  I&#8217;m not sure I like it.  Maybe that&#8217;s how ego-centrism plays out in my own faith. </p>
<p>P.S. Ethnocentrism is also, according to my comparative studies professor in college, one of the reasons why the term &#8220;Middle East&#8221; exists.  In relation to European nations, that area geographically was in between them and the &#8220;Far East&#8221;.
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		<title>By: karl</title>
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		<dc:creator>karl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 14:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ok, i will one day soon re-enter the world and live in this weirdo cyber community!
thanks kathy for the constant reminder that faith has very little uniformity to it, each time it is expressed is a different version. 
i like the tired old snow flake thought, all snow flakes look like snow flakes, but no two snow flake look the same- weird.

maybe the same with faith? keep being brave to say the unconventional and uncomfortable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ok, i will one day soon re-enter the world and live in this weirdo cyber community!<br />
thanks kathy for the constant reminder that faith has very little uniformity to it, each time it is expressed is a different version.<br />
i like the tired old snow flake thought, all snow flakes look like snow flakes, but no two snow flake look the same- weird.</p>
<p>maybe the same with faith? keep being brave to say the unconventional and uncomfortable.
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 21:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the whirlwind of moving I haven&#039;t really processed last saturday night, this post helps me put some tangible language to the conversation, thanks! I had so much fun, thanks for inviting me to facilitate!

Egocentrism - who would have thought that there was a pre-existing term for this idea that so many of us are feeling:-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the whirlwind of moving I haven&#8217;t really processed last saturday night, this post helps me put some tangible language to the conversation, thanks! I had so much fun, thanks for inviting me to facilitate!</p>
<p>Egocentrism &#8211; who would have thought that there was a pre-existing term for this idea that so many of us are feeling:-)
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