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		<title>By: kathyescobar</title>
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		<dc:creator>kathyescobar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 20:30:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi rebecca, thank you so much for taking time to comment and share your perspectives. i always really appreciate them.  at the end of the post is the best link to wise and astute Christians who have done their homework on the topic of biblical equality--christians for biblical equality (www.cbeinternational.org).  one of the reasons i don&#039;t spend a lot of time outlining it all in my posts since it is duplication of effort and takes a lot more than one blog post to outline. if you haven&#039;t already, check them out because they have excellent resources to consider accessing. it is also true, though, that all of scripture is up to interpretation and so i always hold to that and the reality that there will always be differing opinions on which way to see things.  that is why the bigger picture is very important to me.  i&#039;d love to know how you found this post after all these years :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi rebecca, thank you so much for taking time to comment and share your perspectives. i always really appreciate them.  at the end of the post is the best link to wise and astute Christians who have done their homework on the topic of biblical equality&#8211;christians for biblical equality (www.cbeinternational.org).  one of the reasons i don&#8217;t spend a lot of time outlining it all in my posts since it is duplication of effort and takes a lot more than one blog post to outline. if you haven&#8217;t already, check them out because they have excellent resources to consider accessing. it is also true, though, that all of scripture is up to interpretation and so i always hold to that and the reality that there will always be differing opinions on which way to see things.  that is why the bigger picture is very important to me.  i&#8217;d love to know how you found this post after all these years <img src='http://kathyescobar.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />
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		<title>By: kathyescobar</title>
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		<dc:creator>kathyescobar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 20:23:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>paige, somehow i missed this comment and i am so sorry about that.  not sure where things are at yet in your church but if you get this, i&#039;d love to know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>paige, somehow i missed this comment and i am so sorry about that.  not sure where things are at yet in your church but if you get this, i&#8217;d love to know.
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		<title>By: Rebecca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rebecca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 18:51:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, guess I&#039;m way late on this topic. I came around by way of googling &quot;charting your spiritual journey.&quot; I&#039;m working on doing that myself.

I read through all the comments above, just to make sure you hadn&#039;t already addressed my questions, but I&#039;ve yet to encounter it, perhaps somewhere else?

The topic is interesting, and I was excited to read your thoughts. I was just a little disappointed, though, that in your defense you didn&#039;t use any scriptural arguments. I&#039;d love to read your case when argued from a Biblical perspective, referencing specific scripture, rather than the &#039;bigger story of Jesus.&#039; When it comes to the decision of choosing to interpret the &quot;bigger story&quot; vs. specific scripture, I believe there&#039;s much more of an opportunity to find oneself on a slippery slope with the former, where nearly any behavior could be justified in the name of freedom; left up to personal interpretation rather than understanding &amp; investigating original text.

I&#039;ve never responded to a blog post before to express my disagreement, and that&#039;s not even what I&#039;m doing here ... my personality doesn&#039;t lend itself to that ;) I am truly very interested. I am honestly completely open to being convinced of a scriptural argument. I don&#039;t expect you to provide me with a detailed thesis, either, by the way. But perhaps some resources that pointed you in this direction?

Thank you so much for your blog.
Respectfully,
Rebecca</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, guess I&#8217;m way late on this topic. I came around by way of googling &#8220;charting your spiritual journey.&#8221; I&#8217;m working on doing that myself.</p>
<p>I read through all the comments above, just to make sure you hadn&#8217;t already addressed my questions, but I&#8217;ve yet to encounter it, perhaps somewhere else?</p>
<p>The topic is interesting, and I was excited to read your thoughts. I was just a little disappointed, though, that in your defense you didn&#8217;t use any scriptural arguments. I&#8217;d love to read your case when argued from a Biblical perspective, referencing specific scripture, rather than the &#8216;bigger story of Jesus.&#8217; When it comes to the decision of choosing to interpret the &#8220;bigger story&#8221; vs. specific scripture, I believe there&#8217;s much more of an opportunity to find oneself on a slippery slope with the former, where nearly any behavior could be justified in the name of freedom; left up to personal interpretation rather than understanding &amp; investigating original text.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never responded to a blog post before to express my disagreement, and that&#8217;s not even what I&#8217;m doing here &#8230; my personality doesn&#8217;t lend itself to that <img src='http://kathyescobar.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  I am truly very interested. I am honestly completely open to being convinced of a scriptural argument. I don&#8217;t expect you to provide me with a detailed thesis, either, by the way. But perhaps some resources that pointed you in this direction?</p>
<p>Thank you so much for your blog.<br />
Respectfully,<br />
Rebecca
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		<title>By: Paige</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paige</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jun 2011 20:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kathy,

It surprises me that Christianity is still so phallocentric. I really don&#039;t see the big deal, and it frustrates me.

The church I&#039;m currently attending recently had a health consultation done. One of the problems the consultors found was that the women were being severly undervalued. We have no female pastors, no female elders, and not ONCE has a woman ever preached on Sunday. I was so happy that someone FINALLY pointed it out. I have been to other churches with female pastors, and they are wonderful, capable leaders, just like their male counter-parts.

But here&#039;s my problem: the consultors told us that the women deserved an apology, and just kinda left it at there. They didn&#039;t suggest that we put a woman on the elder&#039;s board or anything. That seems like a good first step, but it wasn&#039;t suggested. I&#039;m worried that all I&#039;m gonna get is an empty apology and no equal rights.

I don&#039;t want to be a pastor or a preacher or an elder. But it&#039;s the PRINCIPLE of the matter, just like you said. Kathy, if you wouldn&#039;t mind, could you pray for my church? I don&#039;t know how much good it&#039;ll do, but it&#039;s all I&#039;ve got now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kathy,</p>
<p>It surprises me that Christianity is still so phallocentric. I really don&#8217;t see the big deal, and it frustrates me.</p>
<p>The church I&#8217;m currently attending recently had a health consultation done. One of the problems the consultors found was that the women were being severly undervalued. We have no female pastors, no female elders, and not ONCE has a woman ever preached on Sunday. I was so happy that someone FINALLY pointed it out. I have been to other churches with female pastors, and they are wonderful, capable leaders, just like their male counter-parts.</p>
<p>But here&#8217;s my problem: the consultors told us that the women deserved an apology, and just kinda left it at there. They didn&#8217;t suggest that we put a woman on the elder&#8217;s board or anything. That seems like a good first step, but it wasn&#8217;t suggested. I&#8217;m worried that all I&#8217;m gonna get is an empty apology and no equal rights.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want to be a pastor or a preacher or an elder. But it&#8217;s the PRINCIPLE of the matter, just like you said. Kathy, if you wouldn&#8217;t mind, could you pray for my church? I don&#8217;t know how much good it&#8217;ll do, but it&#8217;s all I&#8217;ve got now.
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		<title>By: kathyescobar</title>
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		<dc:creator>kathyescobar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2011 23:50:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mar, thank you so much for sharing your heart &amp; journey here. it is beautiful.  and of course so hard to come to terms with some of the harsh realities of oppression &amp; misogyny that are often subtle, sometimes more direct.  i am so sorry that you have experienced the brunt of what happens when we stand up and call out the injustice.  unhealthy systems have a reflex in that moment--turn against the threat in whatever way possible. peace and hope and healing to you from afar. you most definitely are not alone! love, kathy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mar, thank you so much for sharing your heart &#038; journey here. it is beautiful.  and of course so hard to come to terms with some of the harsh realities of oppression &#038; misogyny that are often subtle, sometimes more direct.  i am so sorry that you have experienced the brunt of what happens when we stand up and call out the injustice.  unhealthy systems have a reflex in that moment&#8211;turn against the threat in whatever way possible. peace and hope and healing to you from afar. you most definitely are not alone! love, kathy
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		<title>By: Mar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jun 2011 12:24:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So glad for these words, Kathy ..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So glad for these words, Kathy ..
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		<title>By: Mar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jun 2011 12:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lisa -- Such a great point!  In most hierarchical setups, the actual kingdom work day to day is indeed done by the women!  The men are more &quot;free&quot; to do so but are happy to have the women carry the load while they do the &quot;more important&quot; work of having 3 guys represent them for public speaking.  Wow.  If you see an org chart used in a church, run ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lisa &#8212; Such a great point!  In most hierarchical setups, the actual kingdom work day to day is indeed done by the women!  The men are more &#8220;free&#8221; to do so but are happy to have the women carry the load while they do the &#8220;more important&#8221; work of having 3 guys represent them for public speaking.  Wow.  If you see an org chart used in a church, run &#8230;
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		<title>By: Mar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jun 2011 12:18:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I appreciate this comment so much, perhaps specifically because it does come from a man.  The marginalized group needs the voice of the non-marginalized group to speak up in these situations ... so thank you.

Such good points, that the restrictions are based on the &quot;hierarchy setup&quot; that should be absent in the first place.

My own story is being in evangelical churches for 25 years.  I didn&#039;t feel oppressed, because I was &quot;free&quot; to minister to women, be a Bible teacher, mentor younger women, etc.  I had underlying anxiety all those years, but didn&#039;t know why.

Then, I approached the leaders with a concern and was promptly called &quot;arrogant and condescending for attempting to instruct them.&quot;  Their misogyny came to light.  More shunning, gossip and slander followed.  And it brought to light the system I had for some reason accepted.

Kathy uses the word &quot;misogyny,&quot; and I am just now learning the full truth of that.  I am learning that I actually was feeling &quot;less than&quot; all those years.  I am seeing that something inside me &quot;stayed in my place&quot; in ways I didnt&#039; even recognize.

I&#039;m just now beginnning a journey to find out what my actual voice is, and what opportunities God actually has for me in His kingdom.  I&#039;d appreciate prayer.  Old patterns are hard to break from the inside out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate this comment so much, perhaps specifically because it does come from a man.  The marginalized group needs the voice of the non-marginalized group to speak up in these situations &#8230; so thank you.</p>
<p>Such good points, that the restrictions are based on the &#8220;hierarchy setup&#8221; that should be absent in the first place.</p>
<p>My own story is being in evangelical churches for 25 years.  I didn&#8217;t feel oppressed, because I was &#8220;free&#8221; to minister to women, be a Bible teacher, mentor younger women, etc.  I had underlying anxiety all those years, but didn&#8217;t know why.</p>
<p>Then, I approached the leaders with a concern and was promptly called &#8220;arrogant and condescending for attempting to instruct them.&#8221;  Their misogyny came to light.  More shunning, gossip and slander followed.  And it brought to light the system I had for some reason accepted.</p>
<p>Kathy uses the word &#8220;misogyny,&#8221; and I am just now learning the full truth of that.  I am learning that I actually was feeling &#8220;less than&#8221; all those years.  I am seeing that something inside me &#8220;stayed in my place&#8221; in ways I didnt&#8217; even recognize.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just now beginnning a journey to find out what my actual voice is, and what opportunities God actually has for me in His kingdom.  I&#8217;d appreciate prayer.  Old patterns are hard to break from the inside out.
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		<title>By: kathyescobar</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2010 16:17:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey john, thanks for reading from afar and taking time to comment. look forward to hearing from you again.  peace, kathy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey john, thanks for reading from afar and taking time to comment. look forward to hearing from you again.  peace, kathy
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		<title>By: JOHN</title>
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		<dc:creator>JOHN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jul 2010 04:35:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s good to go thru the topic,
thank u for the encouragement
john
india</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s good to go thru the topic,<br />
thank u for the encouragement<br />
john<br />
india
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