Comments on: the new ways are way harder http://kathyescobar.com/2008/03/28/the-new-ways-are-way-harder/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=the-new-ways-are-way-harder Wed, 16 May 2012 21:17:10 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: kathyescobar http://kathyescobar.com/2008/03/28/the-new-ways-are-way-harder/#comment-474 kathyescobar Wed, 02 Apr 2008 03:40:30 +0000 http://kathyescobar.com/?p=159#comment-474 susan, i hear what you are saying and my response is "of course it's okay!" there's nothing wrong or right about it, we all live in different situations and different circumstances with different passions and different stirrings and different ways of living out our faith. that's the beauty. i think it's just helpful to honor and respect what may be hard, may be easier, in each of our different situations. susan, i hear what you are saying and my response is “of course it’s okay!” there’s nothing wrong or right about it, we all live in different situations and different circumstances with different passions and different stirrings and different ways of living out our faith. that’s the beauty. i think it’s just helpful to honor and respect what may be hard, may be easier, in each of our different situations.

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]]> By: Susan http://kathyescobar.com/2008/03/28/the-new-ways-are-way-harder/#comment-473 Susan Wed, 02 Apr 2008 02:30:43 +0000 http://kathyescobar.com/?p=159#comment-473 At the risk of being different ... why isn't it OK to get a job with a dependable paycheck that gives you stability and some peace while you live out your beliefs, be a great example, and impact the people you meet in the course of your everyday life? Even God only did ministry for three years! At the risk of being different … why isn’t it OK to get a job with a dependable paycheck that gives you stability and some peace while you live out your beliefs, be a great example, and impact the people you meet in the course of your everyday life?

Even God only did ministry for three years!

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]]> By: kathyescobar http://kathyescobar.com/2008/03/28/the-new-ways-are-way-harder/#comment-470 kathyescobar Tue, 01 Apr 2008 14:54:12 +0000 http://kathyescobar.com/?p=159#comment-470 bryan - thanks for your encouragement! it means a lot to know there are others looking in that encourage us to keep at it. urh - thanks for your cheerleading, too. my hope is to learn to enjoy the adventure, notice the beauty, the growth, God's work... bryan – thanks for your encouragement! it means a lot to know there are others looking in that encourage us to keep at it.

urh – thanks for your cheerleading, too. my hope is to learn to enjoy the adventure, notice the beauty, the growth, God’s work…

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]]> By: urh http://kathyescobar.com/2008/03/28/the-new-ways-are-way-harder/#comment-467 urh Mon, 31 Mar 2008 04:23:24 +0000 http://kathyescobar.com/?p=159#comment-467 Keep at it girl! There are some things that are worth fighting for. Change and innovations are good because they lead people to new places which are challenging and filled with growth. Adventures are rarely easy, because if they were, then they wouldn't be adventures. Keep at it girl! There are some things that are worth fighting for. Change and innovations are good because they lead people to new places which are challenging and filled with growth. Adventures are rarely easy, because if they were, then they wouldn’t be adventures.

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]]> By: Bryan Riley http://kathyescobar.com/2008/03/28/the-new-ways-are-way-harder/#comment-466 Bryan Riley Sun, 30 Mar 2008 19:17:30 +0000 http://kathyescobar.com/?p=159#comment-466 I really enjoyed this post. I didn't know much about you although I had seen your comments in other places. I am an inconsistent reader and commenter on blogs as I don't really use an RSS feeder or anything - I tend to just go about when I have the time, but I know I have been to your site before and enjoyed what I read. This is the first time, however, I've gone a bit further, read a bit more, and even gone into the Refuge website. It all looks very exciting, and, yes, hard. I appreciate the sacrifice you are making. If it is in obedience to the leading of our Father, then charge ahead and don't look back. Enjoy the blessings of obedience. You won't be able to define success by the measures of the world, but you will know you have obeyed and are successful because you have joined Him in His mission for your life. I really enjoyed this post. I didn’t know much about you although I had seen your comments in other places. I am an inconsistent reader and commenter on blogs as I don’t really use an RSS feeder or anything – I tend to just go about when I have the time, but I know I have been to your site before and enjoyed what I read. This is the first time, however, I’ve gone a bit further, read a bit more, and even gone into the Refuge website. It all looks very exciting, and, yes, hard. I appreciate the sacrifice you are making. If it is in obedience to the leading of our Father, then charge ahead and don’t look back. Enjoy the blessings of obedience. You won’t be able to define success by the measures of the world, but you will know you have obeyed and are successful because you have joined Him in His mission for your life.

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]]> By: kathyescobar http://kathyescobar.com/2008/03/28/the-new-ways-are-way-harder/#comment-462 kathyescobar Sun, 30 Mar 2008 01:18:07 +0000 http://kathyescobar.com/?p=159#comment-462 been out of town & just catching up... tara...you are welcome to come hang out with us in colorado anytime! and yes burning rubber smells...love your metaphor! karen, thanks for stopping by and the link. i'll head over there and check it out. what community are you part of? sage, couldn't imagine anyone else i'd rather have alongside this journey. your faithfulness, your encouragement, means more than you know. keep reminding me. brian - well wish you lived closer. there's a lot of interacting going on here, that's for sure. i am glad you are joining these conversations... ted - yeah, ever since i posted this i have thought what a downer i have been sounding like, but i hope what comes out is just the passion for something different. i sometimes get so discouraged but you guys all remind me that i'm not stupid or crazy. the informal network that we have created in this past 2 years through some friends we met through off the map & a few others has been encouraging, but boy do i wish that more of them lived here! amber - okay, keep reminding me. wayne - welcome! and thanks for stopping by. it is a delicate balance when you are trying to shift a culture and sometimes the older ways may be the wiser thing for a current moment or an existing structure? in our situation, we are all ruined for the new way even though i get nostalgic now and then! been out of town & just catching up…

tara…you are welcome to come hang out with us in colorado anytime! and yes burning rubber smells…love your metaphor!

karen, thanks for stopping by and the link. i’ll head over there and check it out. what community are you part of?

sage, couldn’t imagine anyone else i’d rather have alongside this journey. your faithfulness, your encouragement, means more than you know. keep reminding me.

brian – well wish you lived closer. there’s a lot of interacting going on here, that’s for sure. i am glad you are joining these conversations…

ted – yeah, ever since i posted this i have thought what a downer i have been sounding like, but i hope what comes out is just the passion for something different. i sometimes get so discouraged but you guys all remind me that i’m not stupid or crazy. the informal network that we have created in this past 2 years through some friends we met through off the map & a few others has been encouraging, but boy do i wish that more of them lived here!

amber – okay, keep reminding me.

wayne – welcome! and thanks for stopping by. it is a delicate balance when you are trying to shift a culture and sometimes the older ways may be the wiser thing for a current moment or an existing structure? in our situation, we are all ruined for the new way even though i get nostalgic now and then!

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]]> By: WayneO http://kathyescobar.com/2008/03/28/the-new-ways-are-way-harder/#comment-460 WayneO Sat, 29 Mar 2008 16:02:13 +0000 http://kathyescobar.com/?p=159#comment-460 Loved the post. i have the dream of a place like that. Also know that if I abandon the old way totally there will never be growth for those who are there. I have a dream of leading in the old way but also having some of the new way at another place/time. would love to hear more of the refuge. WaynO Loved the post. i have the dream of a place like that. Also know that if I abandon the old way totally there will never be growth for those who are there. I have a dream of leading in the old way but also having some of the new way at another place/time.
would love to hear more of the refuge.
WaynO

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]]> By: Amber http://kathyescobar.com/2008/03/28/the-new-ways-are-way-harder/#comment-459 Amber Sat, 29 Mar 2008 03:02:09 +0000 http://kathyescobar.com/?p=159#comment-459 keep pressing into the difficulties i believe that right now, right here this is what it's supposed to be like...not easy, not neat and tidy, but beautiful more beautiful than we can see. keep pressing into the difficulties i believe that right now, right here this is what it’s supposed to be like…not easy, not neat and tidy, but beautiful more beautiful than we can see.

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]]> By: J. Ted Voigt http://kathyescobar.com/2008/03/28/the-new-ways-are-way-harder/#comment-456 J. Ted Voigt Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:49:51 +0000 http://kathyescobar.com/?p=159#comment-456 wow, yeah, that's some heavy stuff. It's a very Biblical idea, I think- the prophets are always the ones who have the hardest time of things. Being a Pharisee seems like a nice life, but that's not who we are... sadly, the current USAmerican Church structure lacks any sort of mechanism for prophecy... I can't stand outside my church talking about a new way... there's no forum for me to share these thoughts. To me, that in and of itself is reason enough to give up on the old way, at least as a primary mode of being the Church. Maybe it's not an either or situation. A while back I heard a professor at a seminary talking about a group of people he meets with one a regular basis- like a "faith-community-missional-agency-Christ-likeness-relational-training-ground" sort of thing - but the people are members of different churches, and this is something they do in addition to working (and changing) in their "old way" churches. It was especially encouraging to me since it seems it seems my family will always be a "church staff family" at an "old way" church. keep on preaching... strike that... prophesying! wow, yeah, that’s some heavy stuff.

It’s a very Biblical idea, I think- the prophets are always the ones who have the hardest time of things. Being a Pharisee seems like a nice life, but that’s not who we are…

sadly, the current USAmerican Church structure lacks any sort of mechanism for prophecy… I can’t stand outside my church talking about a new way… there’s no forum for me to share these thoughts. To me, that in and of itself is reason enough to give up on the old way, at least as a primary mode of being the Church.

Maybe it’s not an either or situation. A while back I heard a professor at a seminary talking about a group of people he meets with one a regular basis- like a “faith-community-missional-agency-Christ-likeness-relational-training-ground”
sort of thing – but the people are members of different churches, and this is something they do in addition to working (and changing) in their “old way” churches. It was especially encouraging to me since it seems it seems my family will always be a “church staff family” at an “old way” church.

keep on preaching… strike that… prophesying!

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]]> By: tysdaddy http://kathyescobar.com/2008/03/28/the-new-ways-are-way-harder/#comment-455 tysdaddy Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:21:36 +0000 http://kathyescobar.com/?p=159#comment-455 Very nice post, Kathy. I wish there was a gathering of folks in my area who felt the same way. But then, I think, is getting together with another group of people simply looking for the old way again? You wrote: "i keep waiting for smoother sailing, greener pastures, someone to swoop in and say “we believe in you, we want to do this with you, what do you need?” and i’m starting to realize, it may not come. plus, i’m pretty sure the life of following Christ was never about ease, comfort, success, numbers, budgets, earthly relief. i’ll say, though, part of my human condition always seems to be longing for it." I don't want to ever "do" church again. There's comfort there that reeks and rotten underneath all the perfume and nice clothes and songs sung in perfect harmony. And yet, I want to be able to get together and talk about stuff, make new friends, chat about music and movies and books, and feel that a connection is being made and minds are being awakened and challenged. I don't want a pep talk. I want a discussion. I don't want to ever hear another sermon. I want to interact. Interesting food for thought. Thanks. Very nice post, Kathy. I wish there was a gathering of folks in my area who felt the same way. But then, I think, is getting together with another group of people simply looking for the old way again? You wrote:

“i keep waiting for smoother sailing, greener pastures, someone to swoop in and say “we believe in you, we want to do this with you, what do you need?” and i’m starting to realize, it may not come. plus, i’m pretty sure the life of following Christ was never about ease, comfort, success, numbers, budgets, earthly relief. i’ll say, though, part of my human condition always seems to be longing for it.”

I don’t want to ever “do” church again. There’s comfort there that reeks and rotten underneath all the perfume and nice clothes and songs sung in perfect harmony. And yet, I want to be able to get together and talk about stuff, make new friends, chat about music and movies and books, and feel that a connection is being made and minds are being awakened and challenged. I don’t want a pep talk. I want a discussion. I don’t want to ever hear another sermon. I want to interact.

Interesting food for thought. Thanks.

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