Comments on: a time for burning http://kathyescobar.com/2008/02/26/a-time-for-burning/ sometimes it's fun, sometimes it just makes me dizzy... Thu, 09 Sep 2010 15:37:03 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: kathyescobar http://kathyescobar.com/2008/02/26/a-time-for-burning/#comment-395 kathyescobar Mon, 03 Mar 2008 02:33:22 +0000 http://kathyescobar.wordpress.com/?p=137#comment-395 elle - i am so glad you and your husband took the time to venture into a time to burning. yeah, it was something else, wasn't it? flashbacks for you, too, eh? so much to talk about, our post-viewing conversation could have lasted far longer than we were able to stay. look forward to continue to connect out here in blog land, vermont-to-colorado.... nathan, thanks for stopping by. new conspirators was great, by the way. who did you know who went? robert, i love mike yaconelli. i think about the way he describes his church all the time, it's so refuge! thanks for stopping by! tia - nice to hear from you again. let me know your thoughts after you see it. elle – i am so glad you and your husband took the time to venture into a time to burning. yeah, it was something else, wasn’t it? flashbacks for you, too, eh? so much to talk about, our post-viewing conversation could have lasted far longer than we were able to stay. look forward to continue to connect out here in blog land, vermont-to-colorado….

nathan, thanks for stopping by. new conspirators was great, by the way. who did you know who went?

robert, i love mike yaconelli. i think about the way he describes his church all the time, it’s so refuge!
thanks for stopping by!

tia – nice to hear from you again. let me know your thoughts after you see it.

]]> By: Tia Lynn http://kathyescobar.com/2008/02/26/a-time-for-burning/#comment-394 Tia Lynn Sat, 01 Mar 2008 23:25:13 +0000 http://kathyescobar.wordpress.com/?p=137#comment-394 Excellent post. I can't wait to see the film! Excellent post. I can’t wait to see the film!

]]> By: Robert http://kathyescobar.com/2008/02/26/a-time-for-burning/#comment-393 Robert Sat, 01 Mar 2008 19:18:24 +0000 http://kathyescobar.wordpress.com/?p=137#comment-393 Kathy- thank you for sharing this film. I hope it becomes must-see viewing for churches all over the USA. You are right on about how the Gospel is not tidy and neat and made to keep us in our own lil comfort zones. I so love the way you write and how much a messy free spirit you are so much like mike yaconelli one of my heroes!! Kathy- thank you for sharing this film. I hope it becomes must-see viewing for churches all over the USA. You are right on about how the Gospel is not tidy and neat and made to keep us in our own lil comfort zones. I so love the way you write and how much a messy free spirit you are so much like mike yaconelli one of my heroes!!

]]> By: Nathan http://kathyescobar.com/2008/02/26/a-time-for-burning/#comment-392 Nathan Sat, 01 Mar 2008 18:05:15 +0000 http://kathyescobar.wordpress.com/?p=137#comment-392 Got a link from someone else about you mentioning the movie, and then I've been reading about the awesome conference you've been speaking at so that means I'm supposed to add you to my reader! The film is really good. My wife and I watched it two years ago, and we noticed a lot of parallels to today. Cheers. Got a link from someone else about you mentioning the movie, and then I’ve been reading about the awesome conference you’ve been speaking at so that means I’m supposed to add you to my reader!

The film is really good. My wife and I watched it two years ago, and we noticed a lot of parallels to today.

Cheers.

]]> By: Tracy Simmons http://kathyescobar.com/2008/02/26/a-time-for-burning/#comment-391 Tracy Simmons Sat, 01 Mar 2008 14:10:16 +0000 http://kathyescobar.wordpress.com/?p=137#comment-391 Kathy, I watched this film last night and have briefly posted about it on my blog (http://tinyurl.com/2vyxod). I just wanted to thank you for telling us about this film. It was really powerful, and as I suspected I would, I cried my way through it. My husband and I were both on staff at a local church as "full-time pastors" for a number of years and were part of so many pastor/elder board meetings where discussions just like these took place (different topics, same outcome!). Watching this movie brought those meetings back to me, along with remembering how helpless we often felt in trying to "get through" to people who at that time did not have ears to hear. I understood the pastor's resignation all too well (we resigned many years ago, but for different reasons best saved for another post on another day!). Anyway, don't want to babble on too long, but just wanted to tell you how deeply this little flick impacted me. I've been making my way through all your posts, slowly but surely. So glad I "found" you! Kathy,
I watched this film last night and have briefly posted about it on my blog (http://tinyurl.com/2vyxod).

I just wanted to thank you for telling us about this film. It was really powerful, and as I suspected I would, I cried my way through it. My husband and I were both on staff at a local church as “full-time pastors” for a number of years and were part of so many pastor/elder board meetings where discussions just like these took place (different topics, same outcome!). Watching this movie brought those meetings back to me, along with remembering how helpless we often felt in trying to “get through” to people who at that time did not have ears to hear. I understood the pastor’s resignation all too well (we resigned many years ago, but for different reasons best saved for another post on another day!).

Anyway, don’t want to babble on too long, but just wanted to tell you how deeply this little flick impacted me. I’ve been making my way through all your posts, slowly but surely. So glad I “found” you!

]]> By: kathyescobar http://kathyescobar.com/2008/02/26/a-time-for-burning/#comment-390 kathyescobar Thu, 28 Feb 2008 05:10:09 +0000 http://kathyescobar.wordpress.com/?p=137#comment-390 amy - then you totally know the feeling. i so agree that it is about moving out of our comfort zones. it so much easier to stay safe & comfortable. i am pretty sure the gospel wasn't too safe & comfortable! j.ted - i saw do the right thing a long time ago before i would have made any connections about it. i am going to put it on my queue. thanks for the rec. ps: lots of people have loved springtime for a church so thanks for sharing. pam - i haven't heard about john perkins, will check it out. thanks! i wish i would have been at convergence, btw. tracy - i look forward to hearing your thoughts on it, lmk. amy – then you totally know the feeling. i so agree that it is about moving out of our comfort zones. it so much easier to stay safe & comfortable. i am pretty sure the gospel wasn’t too safe & comfortable!

j.ted – i saw do the right thing a long time ago before i would have made any connections about it. i am going to put it on my queue. thanks for the rec.
ps: lots of people have loved springtime for a church so thanks for sharing.

pam – i haven’t heard about john perkins, will check it out. thanks! i wish i would have been at convergence, btw.

tracy – i look forward to hearing your thoughts on it, lmk.

]]> By: Tracy Simmons http://kathyescobar.com/2008/02/26/a-time-for-burning/#comment-389 Tracy Simmons Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:49:32 +0000 http://kathyescobar.wordpress.com/?p=137#comment-389 Kathy, so glad to know about this movie...it just got put to the top of my netflix queue. :) I have no doubt that I will cry my way through it. I have such a heart for African-American people in this country. I won't go into details here, but this is an issue that has been burning in my heart for years. The irony of it is that I live in the "whitest" state: Vermont. Thankfully it's slowly changing as our doors are being flung wide open right now to welcome refugees from every country imaginable. Anyway, just wanted to say thanks for letting us know about this great resource. Your comments about it pertaining to the exclusivity seen and felt in many churches really strikes a chord within me. Thanks. Kathy, so glad to know about this movie…it just got put to the top of my netflix queue. :)

I have no doubt that I will cry my way through it. I have such a heart for African-American people in this country. I won’t go into details here, but this is an issue that has been burning in my heart for years. The irony of it is that I live in the “whitest” state: Vermont. Thankfully it’s slowly changing as our doors are being flung wide open right now to welcome refugees from every country imaginable.

Anyway, just wanted to say thanks for letting us know about this great resource. Your comments about it pertaining to the exclusivity seen and felt in many churches really strikes a chord within me. Thanks.

]]> By: Pam Hogeweide http://kathyescobar.com/2008/02/26/a-time-for-burning/#comment-388 Pam Hogeweide Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:33:58 +0000 http://kathyescobar.wordpress.com/?p=137#comment-388 hey kathy, a timely post for me. i grew up in the south, louisiana, and heard and saw racism up close. i remember race riots when integration was enforced. i knew families that would threaten their children that they would leave them on the n**ger side of town. Racism, in all of it's forms, is very ugly. So last week I jumped on the chance to hear preacher and activist, John Perkins, at a small leaders meeting here in Portland. He is quickly becoming a new hero of mine. His commitment to reconciliation and community justice is inspiring and provocative. If you're not familiar with him, google his name. (Just add Mississippi to it since there's so many JP's in 'America.) There is, I am discovering, a wound of racism in my heart. I intend to write about this soon, not sure when, but soon. I'll keep my eye out for the film. Powerful stuff. We need more Bill Youngdahl's in the world (funny how his name is so close to my friend, Bill Dahl of Purpose Diving Life!!!) hey kathy,
a timely post for me. i grew up in the south, louisiana, and heard and saw racism up close. i remember race riots when integration was enforced. i knew families that would threaten their children that they would leave them on the n**ger side of town. Racism, in all of it’s forms, is very ugly.

So last week I jumped on the chance to hear preacher and activist, John Perkins, at a small leaders meeting here in Portland. He is quickly becoming a new hero of mine. His commitment to reconciliation and community justice is inspiring and provocative. If you’re not familiar with him, google his name. (Just add Mississippi to it since there’s so many JP’s in ‘America.)

There is, I am discovering, a wound of racism in my heart. I intend to write about this soon, not sure when, but soon.

I’ll keep my eye out for the film. Powerful stuff. We need more Bill Youngdahl’s in the world (funny how his name is so close to my friend, Bill Dahl of Purpose Diving Life!!!)

]]> By: J Ted Voigt http://kathyescobar.com/2008/02/26/a-time-for-burning/#comment-386 J Ted Voigt Wed, 27 Feb 2008 14:58:39 +0000 http://kathyescobar.wordpress.com/?p=137#comment-386 yeah... it's messed up. I would say my church is actively racist against Hispanic people, and the sad part is that they think its OK. My wife and I have worked to fix this in our church but it's a really deeply held problem for a lot of people. They understand racism is bad, and they accept the African-American people living in our community, but they feel justified in the exclusion of Hispanic people; they see it as different. It breaks my hearts when they talk about "Mexicans" like their lepers or something. I'm definitely going to check out a time for burning. I wonder if it's in our church library... haha... another great movie that hits on some of the same issues (in the context of a pizza place instead of the church) is an old spike lee film called "Do the Right Thing" it's a classic! p.s. thanks for the last post! I'm truly honored! yeah… it’s messed up. I would say my church is actively racist against Hispanic people, and the sad part is that they think its OK. My wife and I have worked to fix this in our church but it’s a really deeply held problem for a lot of people. They understand racism is bad, and they accept the African-American people living in our community, but they feel justified in the exclusion of Hispanic people; they see it as different. It breaks my hearts when they talk about “Mexicans” like their lepers or something.

I’m definitely going to check out a time for burning. I wonder if it’s in our church library… haha…

another great movie that hits on some of the same issues (in the context of a pizza place instead of the church) is an old spike lee film called “Do the Right Thing” it’s a classic!

p.s. thanks for the last post! I’m truly honored!

]]> By: Amy B http://kathyescobar.com/2008/02/26/a-time-for-burning/#comment-385 Amy B Wed, 27 Feb 2008 05:37:24 +0000 http://kathyescobar.wordpress.com/?p=137#comment-385 The video sounds really good, Kathy. Thanks for the recommendation. I also married a Hispanic man, both of his parents are from Mexico. When we were first dating and married and I was introducing him to co-workers, people always...I mean <i>always</i>... asked me if he was Asian. (He's an engineer in the tech industry). Even though he looks very Hispanc, people's natural inclination was to believe he was a different ethnicity because of his position and "status" in life. On another note, I had jury duty a few weeks ago. The defendant was Hispanic. I was appalled by the assumptions people had about the character of the person just because he couldn't speak English. It seems that we naturally compartmentalize and justify ourselves in doing so because we don't force ourselves out of those comfort zones. What an amazing thing that pastor did to force that issue in an environment that obviously wasn't open. It was the right thing to do. It's a good reminder for all of us. The video sounds really good, Kathy. Thanks for the recommendation.

I also married a Hispanic man, both of his parents are from Mexico. When we were first dating and married and I was introducing him to co-workers, people always…I mean always… asked me if he was Asian. (He’s an engineer in the tech industry). Even though he looks very Hispanc, people’s natural inclination was to believe he was a different ethnicity because of his position and “status” in life.

On another note, I had jury duty a few weeks ago. The defendant was Hispanic. I was appalled by the assumptions people had about the character of the person just because he couldn’t speak English.

It seems that we naturally compartmentalize and justify ourselves in doing so because we don’t force ourselves out of those comfort zones. What an amazing thing that pastor did to force that issue in an environment that obviously wasn’t open. It was the right thing to do. It’s a good reminder for all of us.

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