Comments on: how one parenthetical phrase could change so much http://kathyescobar.com/2008/01/30/how-one-parenthetical-phrase-could-change-so-much/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=how-one-parenthetical-phrase-could-change-so-much Wed, 16 May 2012 21:17:10 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: kathyescobar http://kathyescobar.com/2008/01/30/how-one-parenthetical-phrase-could-change-so-much/#comment-327 kathyescobar Fri, 08 Feb 2008 19:00:41 +0000 http://kathyescobar.com/?p=107#comment-327 j ted voigt: thanks for stopping by. how'd you find this blog? oh yeah, i can hear those words chiming away... "of course you can be 100% certain, it says it right here!" ...the "if you REALLY STUDY THE SCRIPTURES it says" all in capitals. it bothers me, too!! it's so funny how it didn't used to years ago, though, so i guess that's the part i can have a little bit of understanding on. it sort of scares me that i just used to take it all lock stock and barrel the way it was fed to me. j ted voigt: thanks for stopping by. how’d you find this blog? oh yeah, i can hear those words chiming away… “of course you can be 100% certain, it says it right here!” …the “if you REALLY STUDY THE SCRIPTURES it says” all in capitals. it bothers me, too!! it’s so funny how it didn’t used to years ago, though, so i guess that’s the part i can have a little bit of understanding on. it sort of scares me that i just used to take it all lock stock and barrel the way it was fed to me.

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]]> By: J Ted Voigt http://kathyescobar.com/2008/01/30/how-one-parenthetical-phrase-could-change-so-much/#comment-322 J Ted Voigt Thu, 07 Feb 2008 16:10:25 +0000 http://kathyescobar.com/?p=107#comment-322 Just thought I'd throw a few thoughts in- this is something that's been on my mind a lot lately... I can imagine having this conversation with some of my more fundamentalist friends, and eventually I think it would come down to "well when CAN I be certain? What would it take to be 100% certain about what this scripture means?" I think probably the answer is "of course you never can, and by the way why does that bother you so much?" It's those same people who use this other phrase -possibly the antithesis of "but I could be wrong"- which is "If you REALLY study the scriptures, you'll find ... " I've heard this used to defend and justify any one of a number of ideas. It really bothers me. Just thought I’d throw a few thoughts in- this is something that’s been on my mind a lot lately…

I can imagine having this conversation with some of my more fundamentalist friends, and eventually I think it would come down to “well when CAN I be certain? What would it take to be 100% certain about what this scripture means?” I think probably the answer is “of course you never can, and by the way why does that bother you so much?”

It’s those same people who use this other phrase -possibly the antithesis of “but I could be wrong”- which is “If you REALLY study the scriptures, you’ll find … ” I’ve heard this used to defend and justify any one of a number of ideas. It really bothers me.

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]]> By: kathyescobar http://kathyescobar.com/2008/01/30/how-one-parenthetical-phrase-could-change-so-much/#comment-303 kathyescobar Sat, 02 Feb 2008 18:07:55 +0000 http://kathyescobar.com/?p=107#comment-303 amy, it is so interesting to me, the fear. one thing, the whole thing unravels. how scary to live like that, but i do know the feeling because i used to be there. hope we can hook up soon and that all is well with you and your family! amy, it is so interesting to me, the fear. one thing, the whole thing unravels. how scary to live like that, but i do know the feeling because i used to be there. hope we can hook up soon and that all is well with you and your family!

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]]> By: Amy B http://kathyescobar.com/2008/01/30/how-one-parenthetical-phrase-could-change-so-much/#comment-301 Amy B Sat, 02 Feb 2008 15:13:07 +0000 http://kathyescobar.com/?p=107#comment-301 Kathy, I agree so much! You know, I heard something about a year ago that I think explains why some feel they have to have definitive, 100% truth. A teacher of a Sunday School class I was in stated "If any one thing in Bible is proved wrong, we might as well throw out the whole thing." When this is the point of view someone is coming from, allowing for an individual interpretation is frightening because then they faith they hold is worthless. That's a pretty scary place to be. There is so much freedom that comes with that parenthetical statement. Hopefully as we live with the freedom and continue to follow God in our journeys we can open pathways for those who feel this fear to walk with us. Kathy, I agree so much!

You know, I heard something about a year ago that I think explains why some feel they have to have definitive, 100% truth. A teacher of a Sunday School class I was in stated “If any one thing in Bible is proved wrong, we might as well throw out the whole thing.”

When this is the point of view someone is coming from, allowing for an individual interpretation is frightening because then they faith they hold is worthless. That’s a pretty scary place to be.

There is so much freedom that comes with that parenthetical statement. Hopefully as we live with the freedom and continue to follow God in our journeys we can open pathways for those who feel this fear to walk with us.

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]]> By: kathyescobar http://kathyescobar.com/2008/01/30/how-one-parenthetical-phrase-could-change-so-much/#comment-300 kathyescobar Sat, 02 Feb 2008 03:44:10 +0000 http://kathyescobar.com/?p=107#comment-300 pam, i love "scripturized"! i can tell people "please, don't scripturize me!!" i'm going to use that sometime! pam, i love “scripturized”! i can tell people “please, don’t scripturize me!!” i’m going to use that sometime!

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]]> By: Pam Hogeweide http://kathyescobar.com/2008/01/30/how-one-parenthetical-phrase-could-change-so-much/#comment-297 Pam Hogeweide Fri, 01 Feb 2008 20:40:11 +0000 http://kathyescobar.com/?p=107#comment-297 Ken and Deborah Loyd coined a term for this: "scripturized." At our women's group one of the rules is, No Scripturizing. I used to be an expert scripturizer. Thank God I'm not anymore. Great post Kathy! Ken and Deborah Loyd coined a term for this:

“scripturized.” At our women’s group one of the rules is, No Scripturizing.

I used to be an expert scripturizer.

Thank God I’m not anymore.

Great post Kathy!

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]]> By: kathyescobar http://kathyescobar.com/2008/01/30/how-one-parenthetical-phrase-could-change-so-much/#comment-296 kathyescobar Fri, 01 Feb 2008 03:33:26 +0000 http://kathyescobar.com/?p=107#comment-296 donna, yeah, no one really wants to think! i have to admit, it was so much easier when i didn't!!! my head sometimes hurts! (in a good way). hope all's well up there... donna, yeah, no one really wants to think! i have to admit, it was so much easier when i didn’t!!! my head sometimes hurts! (in a good way). hope all’s well up there…

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]]> By: DonnaV. http://kathyescobar.com/2008/01/30/how-one-parenthetical-phrase-could-change-so-much/#comment-295 DonnaV. Thu, 31 Jan 2008 14:28:16 +0000 http://kathyescobar.com/?p=107#comment-295 What??? No WAY!!!! But...but...but...this would make me think!!!! :) (sarcasm at it's early morning finest!) Good morning Kathy!! What???
No WAY!!!!
But…but…but…this would make me think!!!! :)
(sarcasm at it’s early morning finest!)
Good morning Kathy!!

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]]> By: kathyescobar http://kathyescobar.com/2008/01/30/how-one-parenthetical-phrase-could-change-so-much/#comment-294 kathyescobar Thu, 31 Jan 2008 14:25:20 +0000 http://kathyescobar.com/?p=107#comment-294 glenn - i like your addition of "what do you think?" gary - yeah, it's a lot of times the truth according to... randy - you crack me up! i am pretty sure God isn't overly considered with our capitalization, eh, but isn't it funny how engrained the importance of those kinds of things are when kindness, love, humility are i am pretty sure MORE OF THE POINT! hahaha. i will let you know about our reno trip in march. hanan - pride is a big issue with this whole certainty thing for sure. i think so many of us are learning new ways to appreciate the bible without elevating it above God. erin - since our conversation i have thought so many times about your parenthetical phrase "but i could be wrong..." so good! and i say preach it girl! (i didn't think you sounded preachy at all but you know what i mean, let it rip!) glenn – i like your addition of “what do you think?”

gary – yeah, it’s a lot of times the truth according to…

randy – you crack me up! i am pretty sure God isn’t overly considered with our capitalization, eh, but isn’t it funny how engrained the importance of those kinds of things are when kindness, love, humility are i am pretty sure MORE OF THE POINT! hahaha. i will let you know about our reno trip in march.

hanan – pride is a big issue with this whole certainty thing for sure. i think so many of us are learning new ways to appreciate the bible without elevating it above God.

erin – since our conversation i have thought so many times about your parenthetical phrase “but i could be wrong…” so good! and i say preach it girl! (i didn’t think you sounded preachy at all but you know what i mean, let it rip!)

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]]> By: Erin http://kathyescobar.com/2008/01/30/how-one-parenthetical-phrase-could-change-so-much/#comment-293 Erin Thu, 31 Jan 2008 04:23:08 +0000 http://kathyescobar.com/?p=107#comment-293 My favorite words these days are "I could be wrong". Like you said...this is what I believe or how I see it, but "...". What I can no longer embrace is the idea that someone holding a personal understanding of scripture is a heretic. Wasn't it the Jews who took on a "yoke" of interpretation? Like Gary said, why do WE have to do that with our Christian leaders and teachers? Jesus said His yoke was light - a.k.a. simple. Sorry, that sounded a little preachy. What I mean, is this is what I believe, but I could be wrong. My favorite words these days are “I could be wrong”. Like you said…this is what I believe or how I see it, but “…”.

What I can no longer embrace is the idea that someone holding a personal understanding of scripture is a heretic. Wasn’t it the Jews who took on a “yoke” of interpretation? Like Gary said, why do WE have to do that with our Christian leaders and teachers? Jesus said His yoke was light – a.k.a. simple.

Sorry, that sounded a little preachy. What I mean, is this is what I believe, but I could be wrong.

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